The First Great Debate- CU College Dems v. CU GOP on Foreign Policy

The debate will start at 8:00pm tonight in Roone Arledge Cinema, Lerner Hall. Michael Spitzer-Rubenstein (CC '12) and Sam Klug (CC '12) will be repping the CU College Dems. Rumor has it, both are wearing American flag pins.

8:06 We're in Roone Arledge, ready to kick some...elephant. Let's see if this starts on time...

8:13 Ok! This could be it! Nick Shea of CPU is enthusiastically introducing the debate. ...Reminding debaters that they're supposed to stick to the platform of both presidential candidates. Expectations are high. Bet all of these Columbia students read newspapers, and can name more than one Supreme Court case.

8:16 Introductions of all debaters. Both Sam and Michael are undeclared majors. Sam loves Aretha Franklin and long walks on the beach.

8:16 Dems' opening statement. Michael is explaining that America is the last hope of mankind. This oil addiction is dangerous. We can't afford 4 more years of bellicose leadership. John McCain won't put us on the right track. Safe to say...he nailed it!

8:20 Now it's the GOP's turn. They're talking about Iran. They think McCain's the most competent person in the United States.

8:23 FIRST QUESTION TO THE DEMS "what are the 'whatever number' biggest threats to the United States?"...hmmm...

Sam's got this one: Americans feel less safe than they have four years ago. We need to focus on securing, or even eradicating nuclear weapons from Pakistan.

GOP responds: Pakistan is a failed State. John McCain don't want to pull out of Iraq. "If we don't do it now, our children will have to do it again" (...really now?)

8:26 Next question to the GOP. Should we promote democracy?
GOP: "Yes. Democracies don't go to war with each other"
DEMS:
Michael- John McCain HASN'T supported democracy. We need safety and stability as a pre-requisite to democratic government.
Sam-Democrats support basic economic needs as a pre-requisite to progress
GOP: We've made progress in Iraq! Lauren Salz of the GOP just claimed that John's "bomb Iran" speech was a "silly joke"!

8:31 New question: "What should be the US' role in the UN and ICC?"
Sam: Globalization is inevitable. America needs to take a leadership role!
Michael: We need to build alliances with our NATO allies. How can we do this if John McCain refuses to meet with one of our closest allies, Spain? (good point!)

GOP doesn't like the UN...they don't think it accomplishes anything. so this is why we need a LEAGUE OF DEMOCRACIES!
DEMS: A League of Democracies wouldn't have any effect on the countries that are not in it.

8:34 New question to GOP: Will McCain do anything to stop the genocide in Darfur?
GOP: The reality of the situation is that democracies have economic power. They could stop oppressive regimes.
DEMS:
Michael- SENATOR OBAMA COSPONSORED THE DARFUR ACCOUNTABILITY ACT! Obama got an A+ on the Darfur score card. John McCain got a C-.

GOP:HEY! JOHN MCCAIN got a C! NOT a C-!!!


8:37 Next quesiton, What will victory in Iraq look like, to the Dems.
Michael- The Iraqi government has endorsed Obama's plan
Sam- 1 to 2 combat brigades/month leaves enough force on the ground, while letting the government know that we can't be there forever. This plan has been endorsed by Malaki.
GOP- Obama wants us to lose this!
Sam's response: Moving away from the ridiculous rhetoric of "defeat", let's talk about the real issues.

8:41 Michael provides some more insight..."Quite frankly, this is ridiculous. John McCain wants to go to the "Gates of Hell" to capture Osama Bin Laden"

8:43 And..We're on to the environment!!!...Dems don't think that offshore drilling will affect gas prices.

8:46 Sam's pointing out that Obama agrees with Thomas Friedman that green energy is going to be the next big industry in the US.

8:47 GOP admits that global warming is due to human activity. (Is that really the McCain/Palin platform?)

8:48 Dems are throwing out great statistics and facts about Obama's strong energy policy.
GOP: "Um, let's not increase taxes."

8:51 Now we're talking about Georgia and Russia.
GOP-We should have said "we are all Georgians, and stood by them"
DEMS- Sam: no one is disputing that Russia's actions were egregious. Right now, we don't have the leverage to force Russia to withdraw, alone. We need to work with our allies in Europe.

8:52 CPU's next GOP question...should we sit down with Iran?
GOP: No! Especially not with Ahmadinejad. But let's meet with lower level officials who can't do anything about the situation.
DEMS: Sam- Clinton said it best... "we're not just going to be sitting around and making tea". [chuckles from the audience] We're going to address the major issues. We need to be prepared.

8:55 How would you respond to a nuclear attack on Israel!
DEMS: We need to protect our allies. John McCain's aggressive foreign policy will leave the whole world unsafe.
Sam- We need to prevent an attack from happening in the first place!

GOP:WE WOULD RETALIATE! (This time, they're NOT joking)

9:00 Now we're talking about Israel and Palestine.

9:01 FINAL QUESTION: Should the US normalize relations with Cuba. What would your policy be?
Dems: Sam- Cuban-American families are our best ambassadors to Cuba, right now. We need to re-engage with our allies. We need to promote economic growth and development. We also want to make aggressive and principled bi-lateral diplomacy with Cuba.
GOP: We don't want to sit down with the Castro brothers and negotiate!
DEMS: John McCain doesn't know how to work with anyone.

9:05 CLOSING REMARKS:

DEMS. Sam's got this one. For John McCain, the world is a binary of good and evil. He believes diplomacy is a concession. Barack Obama sees the world as complicated, nuanced, and inner-connected. The security of America depends on the security of every human being on the planet. We can't afford a saber-rattling foreign policy. Sam believes Barack can restore effective American leadership. (Yayyy!!!! R-E-S-P-E-C-T?)

GOP: We shouldn't leave Iraq. We need nuclear energy. etc. Now they start talking about "experience".